Cathy and Todd discuss an article in the Harvard Law Review titled The Discomfort You Are Feeling is Grief. Grief expert David Kessler explains how we are all feeling anticipatory grief during this pandemic and how to find hope and meaning in our daily experiences. They also discuss how to pull inspiration from Caroline Ingalls (Little House on the Prairie) and the movie Castaway.

Time Stamps

5:40 That Discomfort You’re Feeling Is Grief

18:48 4 attributes of the best kind of empathy

25:49 Stages are not linear

28:37 Unhealthy anticipatory grief

33:43 Zen talk profoundness

41:14 Castaway


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